tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post8649297267500409066..comments2024-01-23T17:14:04.067-05:00Comments on Jaltcoh: Observations in the aftermath of SandyJohn Althouse Cohenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11703450281424023177noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-58608453837442977002012-11-02T04:06:00.610-04:002012-11-02T04:06:00.610-04:00This kind of argument was thin when Rebecca Solnit...This kind of argument was thin when Rebecca Solnit came at it from the left in "A Paradise Built in Hell." But I'll eat my words if the lights (and laws) stay off for a few more days, and a libertarian utopia flowers in lower Manhattan and Staten Island.Joseph Angierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15442663795134936827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-48277722022845887052012-11-01T21:55:30.231-04:002012-11-01T21:55:30.231-04:00A relevant book is "Order Without Law" b...A relevant book is "Order Without Law" by Robert Ellickson. I've got a number of <a href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/?s=ellickson" rel="nofollow">posts</a> on it at my blog.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-75250099954041549412012-11-01T13:27:59.006-04:002012-11-01T13:27:59.006-04:00Take a look at a country like Argentina, where the...Take a look at a country like Argentina, where the vast majority of intersections have no signals or stop signs. Driving is chaotic madness, and the death rate due to car accidents is astronomical. The reason places like lower Manhattan and English villages can survive sanely without traffic laws and signals to enforce them is that the people there already understand the benefits of having them. The Argentines I know who come to this country are astounded and grateful for the orderliness of our driving. To think we'd maintain it indefinitely without laws and enforcement mechanisms is another libertarian fantasy.Peterhttp://blogs.geniocity.com/friedman/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-14785932303791524872012-11-01T10:55:57.128-04:002012-11-01T10:55:57.128-04:00The more laws and taxes, the more lawbreakers and ...The more laws and taxes, the more lawbreakers and tax evaders.<br /><br />--Lao TzuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-69172817796769283992012-11-01T10:13:51.972-04:002012-11-01T10:13:51.972-04:00The things you say about the traffic system are so...The things you say about the traffic system are some of the same arguments I hear about anarchism. <br /><br />Doesn't work.<br /><br />The people in Manhattan are not behaving as they normally would precisely because their world has been turned on its head. If the absence of traffic lights were to become NORMAL, or even feel normal, their behavior would also revert to normal.<br /><br />What does normal behavior mean? It means behavior that falls along a normal distribution.<br /><br />The purpose of traffic laws, lights, etc, is to squeeze this normal distribution into singularity. Not because doing this to people is good in and of itself, but because without it traffic fatalities and damage to vehicles and surrounding objects would be much greater. <br /><br />WhatWasLosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01091433065388922660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-46711995948227779702012-11-01T08:55:26.444-04:002012-11-01T08:55:26.444-04:00Yesterday afternoon I walked a couple times around...Yesterday afternoon I walked a couple times around Bryant Park - unsuccessfully looking for the sign of an Express Bus to take me home - and I had occasion to stop twice and observe for about 5-minute stretches traffic at the intersection of 5th Ave. & 40th St. Not as major an intersection as one involving 42nd St. (which had functioning lights) - but still quite busy.<br /><br />Bo traffic lights, and no traffic cops (and no pedestrians functioning as traffic cops.) Yet these were very well functioning intersections. Less beeping & less rudeness than I see on a normal day (and I'm a bike messenger, so I have a stock of experiences from which to compare.) People accommodated each other & acted intelligently. I actually entertained the idea of setting up a camera and filming the scene for 60 or 90 minutes, and give or selling the footage to some kind of municipal or private authority interested in this sort of thing. (Same principle: There's no ropes or bars to pen customers in all TD Bank branches, and yet the scene is just as orderly as at any bank, and less dehumanizing/insulting.) <br /><br />Glen Reynolds just linked to this post, BTW, including a reference to research compatible with your observations.Quixotichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12735609403116015683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-37907935617215170912012-11-01T08:14:39.685-04:002012-11-01T08:14:39.685-04:00Here in Huntsville, AL., after out disastrous torn...Here in Huntsville, AL., after out disastrous tornado outbreak we had no electricity for 5-6days, and I noticed the same thing. People can and do rise to the occassiob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-32909437216931924832012-10-31T17:27:03.560-04:002012-10-31T17:27:03.560-04:00John Stossel did a very interesting show a couple ...John Stossel did a very interesting show a couple of years ago about the towns in England that have done away with stop lights. Here it is:<br /><br />http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4304480/do-we-really-need-traffic-lights/<br /><br />You also may enjoy this study by professors at Montana State University who looked at how society was organized and functioned in the Western frontier when there was little or no official government laws or an apparatus to enforce laws. It's only 21 pages and it is easy to follow. <br /><br /> http://mises.org/journals/jls/3_1/3_1_2.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-36716057688754012442012-10-31T15:22:18.519-04:002012-10-31T15:22:18.519-04:00This reminds me of an old article on traffic laws ...This reminds me of an old article on traffic laws or lack thereof: <a href="http://www.salon.com/2004/05/20/traffic_design/" rel="nofollow">Why don’t we do it in the road?</a> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> kristinintexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10646872803905507880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-51749673832706217532012-10-31T15:03:44.453-04:002012-10-31T15:03:44.453-04:00After the levees broke and New Orleans flooded in ...After the levees broke and New Orleans flooded in 2005, most stoplights were out of service for months - at least six months, if memory serves, and maybe longer. We learned to treat major intersections as 4-way stops and traffic moved better than it does with traffic lights. <br /><br />Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-88997764952119298532012-10-31T15:03:17.276-04:002012-10-31T15:03:17.276-04:00After the levees broke and New Orleans flooded in ...After the levees broke and New Orleans flooded in 2005, most stoplights were out of service for months - at least six months, if memory serves, and maybe longer. We learned to treat major intersections as 4-way stops and traffic moved better than it does with traffic lights. <br /><br />Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-66656493837981973162012-10-31T14:41:39.923-04:002012-10-31T14:41:39.923-04:00There's been a few European towns that got rid...There's been a few European towns that got rid of all their traffic lights and road sign rules. The results was traffic accidents dropping to almost nothing. People drove more slowly, watched more carefully at intersection. In short they spent their time driving safely instead of obeying every little rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-70760785553155783712012-10-31T14:09:47.844-04:002012-10-31T14:09:47.844-04:00I love Adele too, but in the Skyfall chorus, I hea...I love Adele too, but in the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HKoqNJtMTQ" rel="nofollow">Skyfall</a> chorus, I hear something that sounds off to me.<br /><br />Let the sky fall<br />When it crumbles<br />We will stand tall<br />Face it all together<br /><br />She is going up and up and then at <i>stand tall</i> the transition is not clean... not smooth.<br /><br />Otherwise its a lovely song.Lem the artificially intelligent https://www.blogger.com/profile/03569712564034666751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4464222071440015933.post-84735498172604682512012-10-31T13:59:54.480-04:002012-10-31T13:59:54.480-04:00“Nothing like a little disaster for sorting things...“Nothing like a little disaster for sorting things out.” Blow-Up (1966)Joaquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08498096020863312606noreply@blogger.com